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June 01, 2018

Re: [FunBBGroup] Roseanne update: ABC might put costars in new show | EW.com

 

I'm sorry....i know you mean well....but racism is NOT about looks.  I know people explained the context of ape.  It's not just about looks.  I am going to stay out of this conversation after this...but i just had to point out, you keep saying looks and it's so much more than that.  Valerie Jarett and Susan Rice were both called apes by Roseanne and it wasn't just about their looks at all.  It's a context of saying they are subhuman...not a full person and therefore shouldn't have the same rights as humans.  That's all i'll say on it. It's so much deeper than being called a name or judged for looks.  


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No, I wasn't giving her a pass at all to be clear.  I'm just a person that looks at all sides and points of view..  And yes, I have been judged for my looks, and don't like it.  When I was a kid, I got picked on because I had red hair.  As an adult, I get complemented for it.  No one should EVER be judged because of their looks.  My husband makes comments a lot about newscasters or people he sees on TV, and it aggravates me.  I know he doesn't like it when something says something about him, so a lot of people can be hypocritical... we all have been at one time or another. 
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Crystal, don't take this wrong, but you seem really intent on giving Roseanna a pass, which is, to me, showing you are ok with what she said.  What if someone judged you solely based on the color of your skin. Or your eye color?  Or your religion?  That's all they are judging yo on, nothing else. 

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June 01, 2018

RE: [FunBBGroup] Roseanne update: ABC might put costars in new show | EW.com

 

Oh yes, Jeff.  I do know that.  It's not ok.  That's why I usually don't comment about this stuff... I don't want my words to be taken the wrong way.  And to everyone here that has replied... please don't assume that I am a supporter of a certain "side",  I just happen to be a person that is capable of looking at more than just one point of view.  And listening to both without constantly making judgments.

 

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Crystal it is not saying something like you look ugly. When you compare a black person to an ape it is saying they are sub human ! It is and always has been a racist statement to call a black person a monkey or an ape. Roseanne knew that . I am sure she reqrets it, but it is different than simply commenting on someone looks . It is racist comment !

Hope you understand that . 

Jeff 

 

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On May 31, 2018, at 2:49 AM, 'Crystal Krantz' lovebarbie@roadrunner.com [FunBBGroup] <FunBBGroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

This might be an unpopular opinion, and what Roseanne did was wrong and stupid... but how is it different from any other person picking on someone's looks... we've all done it.  Stupid that she did it publically.   I try not to do things like that, but sometimes we catch ourselves doing things we feel bad about or wish we hadn't said.  She says she made a mistake, some forgiving her, some not.  Who knows what her real intent was.  There's a lot of careers getting ruined nowadays... some of these people deserve it.  Especially these actors that wanted women to sleep with them to get ahead... but then there's women who offered to sleep with someone to get ahead.  So is that different?  I am the first to be disgusted by sexual harassment.  I was a victim of it.  And also of being fired due to pregnancy..  I don't know... I'm rambling now.  I guess I'm all for people making mistakes and given another chance... does Roseanne deserve it, I really don't know?  She's opened her mouth too many times, I guess.  People pick on Trump's orange face and hair all the time (I agree about some of that for the record, but does that make it right or different from what Roseanne did)?  I know there's more examples than these two, but they are both big in the news so I guess that's why I used them as examples.  Some actors/comedians make fun of their own looks.  I don't know... I find myself rambling now!

 

Crystal

 

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I hope they do something like this. 

Natalie

 

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Roseanne update: ABC might put costars in new show

Meet the … Bonners?

There could be a scenario in the works where ABC salvages significant parts of Roseanne without having to say goodbye to some of the best actors on television (here's looking at you, Laurie Metcalf and John Goodman). Though ABC made a swift decision Tuesday to cancel the successful reboot, EW has learned that ABC has not exactly washed its hands of the family comedy.

Here's the challenge, though: Roseanne was created by Roseanne Barr. The characters were conceived by her and Matt Williams. If the sitcom were to continue without the matriarch, the actress would still benefit financially.. So a key insider informs EW that discussions will continue today on whether it makes sense to keep the other actors but potentially design a new series around them — ergo, the Bonners, or whatever you want to call Goodman, Metcalf, and the clan of misfits. Nothing has been decided, however, and various options are still being weighed.

It's not as if everyone scattered after Tuesday's cancellation announcement. After ABC ordered a second season of Roseanne in March, EW confirmed that cast options were picked up for another 13 episodes... Carsey-Werner, which produces the sitcom for ABC, is still on the hook for paying those salaries. And since ABC ordered a new season, it bears its own financial brunt from the cancellation. So keeping some kind of show intact wouldn't be the worst decision for ABC.

Several of Roseanne's best writers certainly aren't going anywhere. In an interview with The Hollywood Reporter, executive producer Dave Caplan noted that he, together with Roseanne EPs Bruce Helford and Bruce Rasmussen, are staying put with ABC. "[They] have a pilot project with Tom Werner for ABC, and we'll continue working together. I know that Tom really regretted the fact that we had such a wonderful writing staff together — a real rare collection of talent — and I know he'd like to continue using it in some fashion if that were possible."

Even Barr herself lamented on Twitter about how her actions resulted in hundreds of people being out of work. (Read more of her response on Twitter here). Officially, ABC isn't talking about any new chapter for the now-beleaguered series, but Disney-ABC Television Group president Ben Sherwood just sent out a statement to staff that said, in part, "we are so sorry the [cast and crew] were swept up in all of this and give thanks for their remarkable talents, wish them well, and hope to find another way to work together down the road."

Ben Sherwoood just sent this out to ABC staff re: Roseanne

— Oliver Darcy (@oliverdarcy) 2:22 PM - May 30, 2018

So what if ABC ultimately decides to make it all go away? "It's not that much money," observes a competing studio. "When you cancel a show, there are cancellation fees. And then there are costs of actually shutting down the production."

The real loss comes from the potential ad revenue — Kantar Media ballparked it at $60 million next season in the New York Times — and what a show like Roseanne could have done for ABC's schedule, to say nothing of how Carsey-Werner continues to lose boatloads of cash after the Viacom networks and Hulu yanked the Roseanne reruns. "Think of the ripple effect that show would have had on other shows," observes the studio exec. "Now ABC won't be able to start Tuesday nights with a giant."

ABC declined to comment.

 

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June 01, 2018

RE: [FunBBGroup] roseanne revival cancelled

 

Right... and to watch the movies and see the history is heart-breaking to me.  I have cried over watching this stuff.  But what I don't like is being generalized as being ok with history because I am white.  That's what hurts.  My library just had a speaker at our annual meeting whose mother was taken from Poland to work in German labor camps and they had to wear the letter P to identify themselves... they had no rights and were just taken from their country.  I talked to her and told her how my dad lived his whole life in depression due to the scars of that time period, as did her mother who eventually was free when the war was over.  There really are two sides to some of these things in history, and just because he lived in Germany doesn't make him a bad person or that he agreed with what Nazi Germans did... he was not one of them, even though he was born there.

 

Crystal

 

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The power of racism

Each of these ways of thinking about the relationship between humans and monkeys reinforced the connection made by Europeans between Africans and apes. And by making it seem as if people of a non-European origin were more like apes than humans, these different theories were used to justify plantation slavery in the Americas and colonialism through the rest of the world.

You have to know that many slave owners and people who believed in slavery thought black people were not human they were closer to apes and thus should not be treated like humans nor have the same rights as humans . This rationale allowed them to use black slaves and feel it is perfectly ok to do .

Jeff 

 

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On May 31, 2018, at 3:18 AM, 'Crystal Krantz' lovebarbie@roadrunner.com [FunBBGroup] <FunBBGroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Is racism because she said the "Muslim" word in her tweet?  Excuse my ignorance...  or was it the monkey thing?  If this Valerie woman were white, would it have not been racism calling her a monkey?  I have these conversations with black friends in my life.... trying to understand their point of view.  Sometimes I feel like I have to watch what I say so it's not perceived wrong... not because I'm racist, but because I don't want to say anything.  I had this conversation with my nephew's girlfriend, she is black, he is white.  I told her how I have a new friend that is black, and I really enjoy her company, but I feel like I have to be extra cautious to not say the wrong thing.  For example, my group is going on a cruise, and some of the ladies need roommates... she was one of them (I would room with her, but have to room with my cousin who I travel with)... so there's this other black woman that joined my group that I thought would be a good roommate for her, not because they are both black but because I think they are both nice people.  I also recommended some nice white ladies as well... my point is, that it's kind of sad that I even have to worry about what one might think of my intentions...  I didn't want my black friend to think I was recommending the other black lady for a roommate because she's black, so I had a conversation with my son's girlfriend (who is close to our family.... they have a baby together)... to help me understand if it's ok to say certain things without coming across the wrong way!  It just frustrates me because I wish we didn't even have to worry about what it the wrong thing to say.  I told her that I want to understand, that it's not my fault for what happened 200 years ago... how long does this have to go on?  Just like how long to Germans have to pay for what Hitler did?  Most of them had no choice to obey him, even if they didn't want to.  I dunno.... just kind of sad to me that these barriers seem to even be an issue.  I hope not to offend anyone and that my words are coming across the way I intend.

 

Crystal

 

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It's not name calling or talking about looks. It was out and out blatant racism. And this is not the first time she tweeted racist things. She also tweets anti Semitic tweets too. But she mostly did it before Roseanne started back up so they took a chance with her.. But this she tweeted while working for ABC/Disney. That's not what Abc/Disney wants representing their company. 

If she had just made a comment about looks she wouldn't have been fired. She was fired for racism. 

Natalie

 

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On May 30, 2018, at 12:46 AM, 'Crystal Krantz' lovebarbie@roadrunner.com [FunBBGroup] <FunBBGroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

First comedy show I watched every episode in quite some time.  Too bad she had to open her big mouth.  Let's face it, there's usually been a time when anyone will pick on someone's looks, but to do it publically is just stupid.  Her mind must be going.  I don't condone what she did, it's just too bad because a lot of people liked her show.  I wonder why she had a beef with that lady to even bother tweeting something about her.... I never even heard of this lady.  I dunno, people just do stupid things sometimes and then regret it.  My husband and I were talking about it and not 1/2 hour later he was commenting on someone's looks in a TV Commercial and I joked to him that he'd be fired for that!  It doesn't matter if black or white, shouldn't publically call someone on their looks... but if she had said that about a white person, would it have been the same result?  You just can't go around using the ape/monkey comment about people. 

 

Crystal

 

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Frasier and Cheers were made by CBS, yet NBC aired them both.  Same with Wings.  All 3 were CBS productions that aired on NBC.  But.....none of them had the PR problem that Roseanne currently has.  But don't forget, she did something pretty awful back in the day, with thin singing of the national anthem, and grabbing her croch.  And everyone got past that.  So this isn't a death knell for her completely.

 

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It would be tough for somebody else to pick it up..  

 

1. How many of the cast would come back?  One cast member already left before they cancelled it.

2.  The show is made by ABC itself which would make it tougher to show to another network and i doubt abc would even want to.  


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On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 2:42 PM, Natalie Natalieav2@aol.com [FunBBGroup] <FunBBGroup@yahoogroups..com> wrote:



I would hope not. And I hope another network doesn't pick the show up either. 

Natalie

 

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Roseanne lost a lot of peoples jobs by doing that .  Why say that ?  

Well I doubt they will consider her for any show in the future !

Jeff 

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It definitely was.  It's too bad because i liked the show itself despite her...but that was reprehensible.  



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dang that was quick.  abc wasted no time taking action.  Was the right move.  

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June 01, 2018

Re: [FunBBGroup] Roseanne update: ABC might put costars in new show | EW.com

 

Social media is an area some people with no filter like Roseanne should not be on.  

Jeff 

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On Jun 1, 2018, at 1:31 PM, 'Crystal Krantz' lovebarbie@roadrunner.com [FunBBGroup] <FunBBGroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

No, I wasn't giving her a pass at all to be clear.  I'm just a person that looks at all sides and points of view..  And yes, I have been judged for my looks, and don't like it.  When I was a kid, I got picked on because I had red hair.  As an adult, I get complemented for it.  No one should EVER be judged because of their looks.  My husband makes comments a lot about newscasters or people he sees on TV, and it aggravates me.  I know he doesn't like it when something says something about him, so a lot of people can be hypocritical... we all have been at one time or another. 

 

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Crystal, don't take this wrong, but you seem really intent on giving Roseanna a pass, which is, to me, showing you are ok with what she said.  What if someone judged you solely based on the color of your skin. Or your eye color?  Or your religion?  That's all they are judging yo on, nothing else. 

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June 01, 2018

RE: [FunBBGroup] Roseanne update: ABC might put costars in new show | EW.com

 

No, I wasn't giving her a pass at all to be clear.  I'm just a person that looks at all sides and points of view..  And yes, I have been judged for my looks, and don't like it.  When I was a kid, I got picked on because I had red hair.  As an adult, I get complemented for it.  No one should EVER be judged because of their looks.  My husband makes comments a lot about newscasters or people he sees on TV, and it aggravates me.  I know he doesn't like it when something says something about him, so a lot of people can be hypocritical... we all have been at one time or another. 

 

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Crystal, don't take this wrong, but you seem really intent on giving Roseanna a pass, which is, to me, showing you are ok with what she said.  What if someone judged you solely based on the color of your skin. Or your eye color?  Or your religion?  That's all they are judging yo on, nothing else. 

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RE: [FunBBGroup] Roseanne update: ABC might put costars in new show | EW.com

 

That's true... they could kill Roseanne off (she was about to have knee surgery)... and continue with the show's premise.  It would different without her dynamic, but it could be done.

 

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A few other shows have tried that too but it never really worked.  I think they tried another season of rules of dating my daughter after John Ritter's death.  

However with roseanne was a main force behind the show, the show had a solid cast all the way around.  John Goodman is perfectly capable of leading a series.  


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On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 10:48 PM, Natalie Natalieav2@aol.com [FunBBGroup] <FunBBGroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



Yep. It was Valerie's family and then when she left the show, yes they called it the Hogan's family. Jason Bateman was in it too. That's what I was thinking of yesterday and wondering if they could do something like that, but it usually doesn't work out. I'm still hoping though. 

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Forgot the name of the show, but remember when Valerie Harper left her show?  I almost want to say Hogan family?  Anyhow, the recast with Sandy Duncan.    Granted, it only lasted the one season, but it's been done before. 

Carrie Courter



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Meet the … Bonners?

There could be a scenario in the works where ABC salvages significant parts of Roseanne without having to say goodbye to some of the best actors on television (here's looking at you, Laurie Metcalf and John Goodman). Though ABC made a swift decision Tuesday to cancel the successful reboot, EW has learned that ABC has not exactly washed its hands of the family comedy.

Here's the challenge, though: Roseanne was created by Roseanne Barr. The characters were conceived by her and Matt Williams. If the sitcom were to continue without the matriarch, the actress would still benefit financially. So a key insider informs EW that discussions will continue today on whether it makes sense to keep the other actors but potentially design a new series around them — ergo, the Bonners, or whatever you want to call Goodman, Metcalf, and the clan of misfits. Nothing has been decided, however, and various options are still being weighed.

It's not as if everyone scattered after Tuesday's cancellation announcement. After ABC ordered a second season of Roseanne in March, EW confirmed that cast options were picked up for another 13 episodes... Carsey-Werner, which produces the sitcom for ABC, is still on the hook for paying those salaries. And since ABC ordered a new season, it bears its own financial brunt from the cancellation. So keeping some kind of show intact wouldn't be the worst decision for ABC.

Several of Roseanne's best writers certainly aren't going anywhere. In an interview with The Hollywood Reporter, executive producer Dave Caplan noted that he, together with Roseanne EPs Bruce Helford and Bruce Rasmussen, are staying put with ABC. "[They] have a pilot project with Tom Werner for ABC, and we'll continue working together. I know that Tom really regretted the fact that we had such a wonderful writing staff together — a real rare collection of talent — and I know he'd like to continue using it in some fashion if that were possible."

Even Barr herself lamented on Twitter about how her actions resulted in hundreds of people being out of work. (Read more of her response on Twitter here). Officially, ABC isn't talking about any new chapter for the now-beleaguered series, but Disney-ABC Television Group president Ben Sherwood just sent out a statement to staff that said, in part, "we are so sorry the [cast and crew] were swept up in all of this and give thanks for their remarkable talents, wish them well, and hope to find another way to work together down the road."

Ben Sherwoood just sent this out to ABC staff re: Roseanne

— Oliver Darcy (@oliverdarcy) 2:22 PM - May 30, 2018

So what if ABC ultimately decides to make it all go away? "It's not that much money," observes a competing studio. "When you cancel a show, there are cancellation fees. And then there are costs of actually shutting down the production."

The real loss comes from the potential ad revenue — Kantar Media ballparked it at $60 million next season in the New York Times — and what a show like Roseanne could have done for ABC's schedule, to say nothing of how Carsey-Werner continues to lose boatloads of cash after the Viacom networks and Hulu yanked the Roseanne reruns. "Think of the ripple effect that show would have had on other shows," observes the studio exec. "Now ABC won't be able to start Tuesday nights with a giant."

ABC declined to comment.

 

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RE: [FunBBGroup] roseanne revival cancelled

 

Thank you, Brian, your last sentence said what my intent was.  I personally, don't like to be generalized as a white person lumped into a group of white people from 200 years ago that was ok with what happened.  Just as I wouldn't want anyone to judge myself because I have German heritage, or judge my father being born in Germany as a Nazi.  My father had life long depression from being a young child living in Germany while it was being bombed... it wasn't his choice... people living there had no choice.  Hitler ruled... that doesn't mean that all Germans believe what he was doing.  To hear the stories from my dad being in bomb shelters, it is just sad to me that he lived his whole life with the scars from that... was he ok with what Hitler did and the concentration camps and Holocaust, definitely not.  But will SOME people look at Germans that way for a long time, YES.  It's just unfortunate that we as a people sometimes get lumped into a category because of our skin color.  I personally am very happy and grateful that my black friend Jeannine enjoys my company and that we can be friends despite that we have two different skin colors.  What does bother me is if a group of black people is rude to me because I'm white, or if a group of white people are rude to me just because they don't like my weight or my hair color, or whatever else they might think is wrong.  I've been taking a lot of "law of attraction" classes and learning that it's not about us (or me) but it's about them and their issues.  (them being other people that might upset you or hurt you)

 

Crystal

 

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I don't think they should be forgotten but should what happened over a hundred years ago still have as big an impact as it does today in interactions between the races and people calling for reparations and the like?

 

However I think one of the issues here is a lack of shared experience.  I do agree with the comment that sometimes it is tough to know what is racist or could be perceived as racist and what isn't.  I've had times where I've seen somebody called out for something and I had to think about it for a while to understand what made it so wrong.  Does that make me racist or insensitive?  No.  I've just had different experiences.  It is easy for me to say "why don't people in the inner cities want to have cops around to lower the crime rate?"  However most of my experieces with police have been positive or if they were negative it was because of my actions so I can't blame the cop for that.  However I understand that they have lived a different life and have had different experiences with the police so have a totally different view.  So there are times where I could accidently say something somebody perceived as racist that wasn't meant that way but because of their experiences which are not mine they did see it that way.  That makes it a lot harder.  

From my side though I get frustrated with how quickly sometimes people throw out the term racist as well and a lot of time it is them being intellecually lazy.  I live in the south and a lot of times people will ask things like "well, why did this state pass that?" and without knowing anything about it some people will just quickly go to "they just wanted to keep the blacks down" and while some people may think that  a lot of times there is a whole lot more to the issue then just that.  Good example.  I live in the northern subburbs of Atlanta.  The subway doesn't come this far out but there was talk about extending it that got shot down.  Maybe people just to "that is just because they don't want those people up there".  Which wasn't the main reason at all.   The main reason is it came with a sales tax increse and vast majority of people here have cars and likely would not use the train very often if at all.  So for most it was a matter of not wanting to pay for something they were unlikely to use.  Is that selfish? yes,  Racist? not really.  

I guess the point of all this is on both sides we need to do a better job of trying to understand where people are coming from and not jumping to conclusions.  


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On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 7:22 AM, Natalieav2@aol.com [FunBBGroup] <FunBBGroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



The problem with forgetting about these things (slavery, the holocaust) etc is then we are doomed to repeat them.  I already feel we are headed that way, so it's easy for those whose families and generations didn't go through this to say let's just forget about it, but things like the holocaust and slavery weren't THAT long ago...and if we just forget about it and stop worrying about, it, it will happen again.  It may anyway.  

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Subject: RE: [FunBBGroup] roseanne revival cancelled

 

Is racism because she said the "Muslim" word in her tweet?  Excuse my ignorance...  or was it the monkey thing?  If this Valerie woman were white, would it have not been racism calling her a monkey?  I have these conversations with black friends in my life... trying to understand their point of view.  Sometimes I feel like I have to watch what I say so it's not perceived wrong... not because I'm racist, but because I don't want to say anything.  I had this conversation with my nephew's girlfriend, she is black, he is white.  I told her how I have a new friend that is black, and I really enjoy her company, but I feel like I have to be extra cautious to not say the wrong thing.  For example, my group is going on a cruise, and some of the ladies need roommates... she was one of them (I would room with her, but have to room with my cousin who I travel with)... so there's this other black woman that joined my group that I thought would be a good roommate for her, not because they are both black but because I think they are both nice people..  I also recommended some nice white ladies as well... my point is, that it's kind of sad that I even have to worry about what one might think of my intentions...  I didn't want my black friend to think I was recommending the other black lady for a roommate because she's black, so I had a conversation with my son's girlfriend (who is close to our family.... they have a baby together)... to help me understand if it's ok to say certain things without coming across the wrong way!  It just frustrates me because I wish we didn't even have to worry about what it the wrong thing to say.  I told her that I want to understand, that it's not my fault for what happened 200 years ago... how long does this have to go on?  Just like how long to Germans have to pay for what Hitler did?  Most of them had no choice to obey him, even if they didn't want to.  I dunno... just kind of sad to me that these barriers seem to even be an issue.  I hope not to offend anyone and that my words are coming across the way I intend.

 

Crystal

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It's not name calling or talking about looks. It was out and out blatant racism. And this is not the first time she tweeted racist things... She also tweets anti Semitic tweets too. But she mostly did it before Roseanne started back up so they took a chance with her. But this she tweeted while working for ABC/Disney. That's not what Abc/Disney wants representing their company. 

If she had just made a comment about looks she wouldn't have been fired. She was fired for racism. 

Natalie

 

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On May 30, 2018, at 12:46 AM, 'Crystal Krantz' lovebarbie@roadrunner.com [FunBBGroup] <FunBBGroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

First comedy show I watched every episode in quite some time.  Too bad she had to open her big mouth.  Let's face it, there's usually been a time when anyone will pick on someone's looks, but to do it publically is just stupid.  Her mind must be going.  I don't condone what she did, it's just too bad because a lot of people liked her show.  I wonder why she had a beef with that lady to even bother tweeting something about her.... I never even heard of this lady.  I dunno, people just do stupid things sometimes and then regret it.  My husband and I were talking about it and not 1/2 hour later he was commenting on someone's looks in a TV Commercial and I joked to him that he'd be fired for that!  It doesn't matter if black or white, shouldn't publically call someone on their looks... but if she had said that about a white person, would it have been the same result?  You just can't go around using the ape/monkey comment about people. 

 

Crystal

 

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Subject: Re: [FunBBGroup] roseanne revival cancelled

 

 

Frasier and Cheers were made by CBS, yet NBC aired them both.  Same with Wings..  All 3 were CBS productions that aired on NBC..  But.....none of them had the PR problem that Roseanne currently has..  But don't forget, she did something pretty awful back in the day, with thin singing of the national anthem, and grabbing her croch.  And everyone got past that.  So this isn't a death knell for her completely.

 

Carrie Courter
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On Tuesday, May 29, 2018, 4:30:48 PM CDT, Brian Hartsfield bh@tronstar.com [FunBBGroup] <FunBBGroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

 

It would be tough for somebody else to pick it up..  

 

1. How many of the cast would come back?  One cast member already left before they cancelled it.

2.  The show is made by ABC itself which would make it tougher to show to another network and i doubt abc would even want to.  


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On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 2:42 PM, Natalie Natalieav2@aol..com [FunBBGroup] <FunBBGroup@yahoogroups..com> wrote:



I would hope not. And I hope another network doesn't pick the show up either. 

Natalie

 

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On May 29, 2018, at 2:40 PM, Jeff Nelson JEFFNC1@GMAIL.COM [FunBBGroup] <FunBBGroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Roseanne lost a lot of peoples jobs by doing that .  Why say that ?  

Well I doubt they will consider her for any show in the future !

Jeff 

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On May 29, 2018, at 2:22 PM, Natalieav2@aol.com [FunBBGroup] <FunBBGroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

It definitely was.  It's too bad because i liked the show itself despite her...but that was reprehensible.  

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Subject: [FunBBGroup] roseanne revival cancelled

 

dang that was quick.  abc wasted no time taking action.  Was the right move.  

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