I think we not only had a bitter jury but bitter again non-feed watching voters. Cody said some horrid things while he was in the house. Paul blew his chance at winning when he wouldn't own his game. 

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On Thursday, September 21, 2017, 'Brenda Crowder' brencrow@gmail.com [Reality-TV-Fanatics] <Reality-TV-Fanatics@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I never expected Cody to get AFP either.
Bren

 

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I honestly did not think Josh would have the votes . He got more then I even expected And Cody? I guess I just don't understand how he could have gotten AFP . 

But hey I bet Paul is livid.

 

cg

 

  'Big Brother 19' Finale Recap: Who Is the Winner?
Wednesday, September 20, 2017

John Kubicek
Senior Writer, BuddyTV

It's been 92 days, 14 Power of Veto competitions, three Dens of Temptation, one useless Tree and 16 of the dumbest HGs ever cast on the show (plus Paul) on Big Brother 19. And after all of the showmances, pots and pans, barking Ravens, broken bones, wiener jokes and lies, Paul, Josh and Christmas are the last three standing. 



Tonight one of them joins the ranks of Dan Gheesling and Adam Jasinski, one of them joins the likes of GinaMarie Zimmerman and Danielle Reyes in second place, and another will be evicted in third just like Vanessa Rousso and Victoria Rafaeli. But who will win, what will the jury think and who gets America's Favorite Player? Let's find out.

The Final HoH, Part 1

It's back to the farting unicorns, with Paul, Christmas and Josh standing on clouds and holding onto tails while get misted with colorful glitter powder. This competition perfectly illustrates the difference between Big Brother and Survivor, because Jeff Probst wouldn't be caught dead on a farting unicorn show.

We see Paul talking to Josh about how Christmas would beat either one of them in the Final 2, so Josh isn't sure what to do. But everyone wants to win this Final HoH in order to make that decision. Christmas struggles because of her broken foot, but she powers through it. After 40 minutes, Josh falls. After 54 minutes, Christmas falls.

Paul wins part 1 of the Final HoH.

Paul screams and cries because he's poured his blood, sweat and tears into the game and he really wants to win.

The Final HoH, Part 2

Christmas and Josh do battle, individually in part 2. It's a medieval theme with cut-outs of the evicted HGs. They get a question and must knock down all of the HGs who are not the answer. There are three rounds. They have multiple weapons to use and must reset someone if they knock down a correct answer.

Christmas can't remember what Matt did when he won the Power of Veto, mistakenly assuming he used it to save Raven or himself (he used it on Jason). She struggles because she knows the right answers, but using the slingshot and crossbow to knock down the right people is hard.

Josh also has problems, knocking down the wrong HGs. The last question (the HGs who were on the block 3 or more times on eviction night) trips him up and he takes a long time.

Christmas: 1 hour, 39 minutes
Josh: 1 hour, 32 minutes

Josh wins part 2 of the Final HoH.

Wow, that competition took a heck of a long time for both of them. Christmas is disappointed that she no longer has the option of taking herself to the end.

Paul is confident that Josh will take him to the Final 2 and he believes he can beat him. He admits that losing last year by one vote was heartbreaking.

Christmas is disappointed in herself and debates whether she's exceptional for staying in the game with a broken foot or if she just got dragged to the end because of it.

Josh has dreamed of winning the game since he was 14 and he doesn't know if he's going to take Paul or Christmas if he wins the Final HoH. He thinks taking out Paul would be his one big move to secure a win.

The Jury Roundtable

The first eight members of the jury meet with season 2 winner Dr. Will Kirby to debate the Final 3. Cody says that Kevin will be in fourth place because he's more likeable than the others. Everyone laughs. Raven says she thinks it will be Christmas, but when Kevin walks in, she says "I knew it."

Mark immediately goes in on Matt and Raven and gets into a huge fight with Maven about how irrelevant they were. Alex and Jason are very angry at Paul.

Raven calls Josh emotionally unstable and says he just got lucky. Kevin agrees and Cody doesn't respect him. They all think Josh doesn't deserve to win, but they respect him more than Paul because at least he said what he felt instead of hiding behind closed doors.

They all agree that Christmas is only there because of her broken foot. But they think she's playing a good social game.

Kevin thinks Paul should win because he outsmarted everyone. Cody and Mark are upset that Paul had advantages because he was a veteran. Dr. Will tries to defend that other people had benefits too, like the Halting Hex. They are very salty that he overplayed. Elena says that she's bitter and he crossed the line. Alex feels the same way, especially because he belittled everyone.

The Marlena/Jalex group really hates how cruel Paul was with his backstabbing while Maven stand by Paul for playing the best game. Mark doesn't respect the games that were played and Jason proudly says that he's a sore loser. Dr. Will tries to get them to be less bitter, but it doesn't work. Alex, Elena, Mark and Jason are VERY mad.

The Final HoH, Part 3

It's the scales of justice where Paul and Josh answer eight questions about things the jurors said after they were evicted.

Paul gets the first one right, but Josh gets the second one right. After four questions, Josh takes a one point lead. After six questions, Paul has 2 and Josh has 3. Josh gets the seventh question right and ends it.

Josh wins the Final HoH!

Wow, that was a total shocker. And now Paul is denied tying Janelle's record of winning 9 HoHs/PoVs because he only has 8.

The Final Eviction

Josh has the power and must evict Paul or Christmas. Paul says he had Josh's back all season. Christmas says she loves both of them dearly and sounds like she's giving up.

Josh votes to evict...Christmas!

He explains that he pissed off a lot of people in jury and they might like Christmas too much. Just like Ian Terry on season 14, Josh takes the veteran to the Final 2 and hopes that the jury is bitter enough to give him the win.

They share a long hug and Paul tells her to throw her crutch at Cody. Julie Chen has to tell her to leave again. Christmas says she's proud of Josh because he acts with his heart and she thinks this is the best strategic move for him. She thinks Josh has a better chance to win against Paul. She laughs and cries a lot and she's proud of herself for sticking with it.

The Final 2 vs. the Jury

It's Josh vs. Paul and ow it's time for the final speeches and the interrogation by the jury. The jury is shocked that Josh won the Final HoH.

Elena asks Paul about his bullying tactics. He claims he didn't and he mediated on behalf of others.

Matt asks Josh for his biggest move and he claims he's been a superfan since he was 14 and that he aligned with the outsiders and used Christmas as a mole within the big alliance. He also thinks taking out Alex was his big move because she was a great competitor.

Alex asks Paul about destroying friendship. He claims that he didn't break friendship or his alliances and took people as far as he could, but wouldn't sacrifice his game for others.

Cody asks Josh about being Paul's puppet. Josh says he downplayed his intelligence and let others trust in him.

Jason asks Paul why he lied to them on their way out. He claims he did what he said he'd do and had to go with the house to avoid making himself a target.

Mark asks Josh about crying after his fights. He wanted to expose people's games and used his fights to do that, but he felt badly about it because he genuinely liked them.

Christmas asks Josh about whether he'd evict her scooter or her crutches. He chooses Pepe the scooter.

I would say Josh won that round. He talked a lot about his strategy and his game while Paul simply denied everything and refused to own the game he played.

Paul's Final speech: He says that everyone wanted to take him out and he had to play hard. He brags about his social game and putting himself between three pairs and won 9 competitions and had total control over his weeks as HoH. He worked hard and made tough decisions and never touched the block.

Josh's Final Speech: He played fearlessly, put targets on people's backs and aligned himself strategically. He put his targets on the block and took out Alex. He loses his train of thought and says he gave it everything and he made himself underestimated.

Cody claims that he'll stay true to his word while Elena says there was no jury management. Maven talk about voting for who played the best game. Alex votes for who stabbed her in the front, not the back.

The Pre-Jury Reunion

Cameron, Jillian, Dominique, Ramses and Jessica show up to discuss the season now that the votes are locked in. Jessica says she was right about Paul and says he laughed behind their backs. She calls them out for saying that they wanted Paul to win and it was embarrassing. Julie Chen shows a montage of everyone saying that they trust Paul in the diary room with Paul bragging about being the puppet master. The jury laughs about how dumb they were.

Jessica says that Paul would've gotten her vote. Jason admits that he forfeited his opinion in favor of Paul and Alex says it's her fault. Paul continues to defend that he's still about friendship. Then Julie shows them Josh's goodbye messages, revealing Paul's involvement in everything and Paul is definitely shocked. Paul calls him a coward. Paul is genuinely upset and pissed off at what Josh did.

Cameron says they were all playing for each other, not for themselves. Julie grills Alex on saying that Jason was her ride-or-die in front of everyone. Cody says that he's been warned multiple times that he can't run across the stage to hug Jessica.

Who Is the Winner?

It's time to reveal the votes.

Christmas voted for...Paul
Kevin voted for...Paul
Alex voted for...Josh
Raven voted for...Paul
Jason voted for...Josh
Matt voted for...Paul
Mark voted for...Josh
Elena voted for...Josh
Cody voted for...Josh

Josh Martinez is the winner of Big Brother 19!

OH. MY. GOD. For the second year in a row, Paul loses in a 5-4 vote, coming down to the final vote and the first member of the jury. You can tell he's devastated and Josh is shocked and elated. Josh is the first non-white man ever to win the game and only the second minority, joining season 4's Jun Song.

This is definitely an epic and shocking ending, and one that will leave fans questioning how Paul screwed up. Based on Paul's reaction, I think Josh's goodbye messages were definitely a big factor.

Josh is speechless. Paul is very dejected as Raven comforts him. Julie Chen rubs it in that he's a bridesmaid again. He has no idea how he came up short. He is very sad.

America's Favorite Player

Finally, Julie reveals these results, with over 15 million votes. The Top 3 were Kevin, Cody and Jason.

Cody wins America's Favorite Player!

Wow, he casts the last vote to cost Paul the game, and then his arch rival wins AFP. That's gotta be hard. Cody ends it perfectly by saying "It doesn't make sense.

Celebrity Big Brother will air this Winter and Big Brother 20 will air in summer 2018.

(Image courtesy of CBS)

Josh is Hispanic .some call them beaners

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From: "'T.C. Kim' reesie1971@yahoo.com [FunBBGroup]" <FunBBGroup@yahoogroups.com>
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Wait who is Bean? 

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On Sep 21, 2017, at 9:03 AM, Brian Hartsfield bh@tronstar.com [FunBBGroup] <FunBBGroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I'm happy the Bean won.  Paul did play a good game during the season but he failed at the same thing he failed at last time - jurt management which is still a part of the game.  You have to vote people out but do so in a way that you get their votes at the end.  He failed and failed horribly at that final piece of the game. He is like the football player who runs 90 yards and then fumbles at the goaline.  

He got too hung up on people liking him and like I said a few times in his goodbye messages and the way he treid to structure people getting voted out he forgot the jury members were going to compare notes and thsoe carefully structured things like "oh alec I saved you and didn't vote for you to go home" the jury will still find out he was behind it all.  He has never been in the jury house so he may not have known what happens there.  But he failed in not realizing the jury members were going to talk to each other.  

He played a great game (even if it made for a boring game to watch) until the end..  You still have to finish and he didn't. 

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On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Carrie Courter c_courter@yahoo.com [FunBBGroup] <FunBBGroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Depending on damage done to his family home from Irma, they winnings are a perfect timing.  

Carrie Courter

On September 21, 2017, at 8:01 AM, "C G ceegee2006@yahoo.com [FunBBGroup]" <FunBBGroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I agree with what you and Crystal said.. IMO Paul SHOULD have won because he out played each one. HE got them to do what HE wanted , BUT it was their decidio0n to drink or not drink the kool aid. I do feel he deserved the won. BUT I am glad Josh did win. When Cody won AFP he had no chance in facial expression not a thank you to the viewers that voted for him. I feel he was the wrong one to get THAT award. I so feel Kevin should have gotten it and he would have been pleased . BUT he did come away with that $25k extra. and 4th places so he did fine.

I really was shocked when the votes went against Paul. I think Josh will have good use for the money he won tho.

I didn't listen to the after show . I probably should have to hear just what Pau.l had to say about losing again.

Maybe next time he will play it far different.

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He thought he had it in the bag. He thought he would never lose to Josh so he made sure to keep him for the end. Yea, he got way too cocky and then he didn't own a lot of what he did like Josh did. And he was mean behind people's backs and the jury compared notes. 

Natalie

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On Sep 21, 2017, at 1:49 AM, Patricia Snyder patmiles@aol.com [FunBBGroup] <FunBBGroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I think Will Kirby said it the best.  The last two or three weeks, Paul started believing in himself so much that he stopped paying attention,

And little by little drank his own kool-aid

On Sep 21, 2017, at 12:55 AM, 'Crystal Krantz' lovebarbie@roadrunner.com [FunBBGroup] <FunBBGroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I agree with all you said in your second paragraph, Natalie.  I found myself going back and forth on who I wanted to win this past week, between Josh and Paul (when it came down to final 3).  During the finale, I was proud of Josh winning the final HOH.  And the momentum toward wanting Josh to win increased in those moments.  I then heard Will talking to the jury (I think Will held back a bit in telling the jury how pathetic they were); I found myself won dering who should win.  I thought Josh was pathetic earlier in the game and wanted him to go many times.  But in the past few weeks, I started to realize that he WAS really thinking about the game, and even thinking that he should get Paul out (so why didn't he... the jury would have given him more votes if he made that move).  He barely won.  I found myself (after the voting was complete) start to want Paul to win again.  Jury question, by jury question, I saw Paul's face be puzzled and worried that he actually might not win, when hearing what the jury was asking.  Then AFTER everyone voted, I once again realized that Paul should have really won.  As I saw the show approaching a final answer, I could see Paul's fear come to his face that he might not have this as "wrapped up in the bag" as he thought.  Natalie said it right, that is, Paul in theory should have won.  When Julie was reading the votes, I saw Paul start to realize wi th that sinking feeling that he could be losing.  The last couple of votes he was just showing it all on his face... shaking his head "no, no, I can't believe this is happening."  He did think he had the game wrapped up, and someone from the jury was right when they said "Paul didn't realize that they'd be comparing notes."  So part of me felt really bad for Paul in that moment, knowing he probably should have won.  I think the jury was shocked that Josh won the final HOH, and that may be the one thing that pushed a few that were on the fence, so they voted for him.  Had Paul won the final HOH and taken Josh, might be a different outcome.  Poor guy should've won, but then he didn't realize how he would be perceived and over-played.

 

As for Cody winning "America's Favorite Player", that one just has me floored.  I feel somehow that Jessica must've had a lot of people voting for him repetitively.  I think they only reason he could win over Kevin is that America despised Paul's gameplay and all the pathetic jury so much, that they gave it to Cody because he was the only one that was on to Paul.   Certainly, America didn't vote for Cody because they like his personality... I think it has to do with those two things, Jessica's rallying and he was the only one that realized about Paul early on.  It just kills me, and Cody even wondered why he won.  It should have been Kevin.  Really shaking my h ead over that one.  I still think Cody is a dud with little personality and a hot head that is ready to explode.

 

I thought I was indifferent to who would win, but I feel bad for Paul now that he didn't.  This is going to eat at him.  Yes, a bit of a stung jury with a grudge.  I guess I may have felt bad for Josh a bit too, if he had lost.  But he did improve a lot the second half of the game... for a while people were just dragging him along because they kne w he wasn't liked, but I think once each person went to jury and realized how they were played by Paul, they realized Josh wasn't so bad.  Interesting that Cody's vote was what  made Josh win, but good for Jessica for saying that Paul should be the winner because of how much he played everyone. 

 

Crystal

 

 

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I have very mixed feelings about tonight's winner and the outcome.  First of all, i knew Cody was going to win AFP.  I believe Kevin probably won second.  I kind of figured Jason would be the third because people liked him until the rape comment and most people thought he got caught in a moment and didn't mean it.  Also, most people who didn't watch feeds didn't know he even said any of it.I wish Kevin would've won it but i saw it coming.  I'm just glad that Alex and Christmas and Paul and Josh now know that kevin was liked by us because they said if he won or was in the running, they would be furious.  It had to kill them that Cody won and Kevin was in there too.  And Christmas wasn't.  Josh and Paul told her she would definitely win it.  They were completely wrong on who would be AFP.  I know Paul will go around saying he would've won it if he wasn't in the final 2 but i don't think he'd even be in the running.  He's in for a rude awakening..not only did he not win the game, not only was he wrong on who won AFP, but he's going to find out that yes he still has plenty of fans, but he lost a ton.   

 

As far as Josh winning...I think it was a bitter jury (but a right to be bitter).  That's my mixed feelings.  I think Paul in theory should've won.  He was the true puppet master and he really did play them all and should've won.  His problem was how mean he was.  Alex kind of said it best, she voted for who stabbed her in the front (Josh), instead of who stabbed her in the back (Paul).  Josh said things to people's faces, and Paul pretended to be people's friends and talked horribly behind people's backs (not game, actually mean personal remarks to make people despise the person).  He isolated and encouraged everyone to isolate people and bully them.  He had VERY poor jury management.  And let's face it, Josh got him with the goodbye messages and Paul was shocked at that.  But he had no right to say that Josh put the blame on him, that's exactly what Paul did to Josh and Christmas all season long and expected them to just do what he said.  I know Paul is confused and upset and mad...but he may have played a great game, but at the same time he played a very bad game.  He played a very mean game and people in jury do compare notes.  It's not that he tricked them...that is the game, it's the viciousness of it.  It's what he said about people and then people found out he said those things about them too.  

Ultimately I still think Paul should've won, but there's a part of me that's glad he didn't.  

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