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October 17, 2019

RE: [Reality-TV-Fanatics] Re: Major changes to yahoo groups [1 Attachment]

 

For many years I was in a yahoo group that started getting glitchy so we transferred to google. Been about 2 years there now with few problems.

 

Kim

 

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From: SHARON ceegee2006@yahoo.com [Reality-TV-Fanatics]
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2019 8:50 AM
To: Kim McFerren kimmcf@comcast.net [Reality-TV-Fanatics]
Subject: Re: [Reality-TV-Fanatics] Re: Major changes to yahoo groups

 

 

I don't know of many that have transferred groups to google. I know a few that plain donot like it . I don't know why

On Thursday, October 17, 2019, 7:42:41 AM CDT, Kim McFerren kimmcf@comcast.net [Reality-TV-Fanatics] <Reality-TV-Fanatics@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

 

What about Google groups?

 

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From: 'Linda Wickwire' lld789@comcast.net [Reality-TV-Fanatics]
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 10:28 PM
To: Reality-TV-Fanatics@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Reality-TV-Fanatics] Re: Major changes to yahoo groups

 

 

I recommend io over Facebook.  Facebook will ruin your groups.......everyone won't see the posts and your members will scatter.  It is not the same.  I am on Facebook and enjoy it but not for this type of group.  Just had to through my opinion in here as this situation has happened several times to groups I belonged to that went to Facebook.

 

Hugs,

Linda

 

From: Reality-TV-Fanatics@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Reality-TV-Fanatics@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 10:38 AM
To: Reality-TV-Fanatics@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Reality-TV-Fanatics] Re: Major changes to yahoo groups

 

 

I would recommend moving all groups to Facebook as most people get most of their news that way anyway now.  Just a suggestion.  Or use the io platform that at least one group I belong to now uses instead of yahoo groups

 

From: Reality-TV-Fanatics@yahoogroups.com <Reality-TV-Fanatics@yahoogroups..com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 1:10 PM
Subject: [Reality-TV-Fanatics] Re: Major changes to yahoo groups

 

 



Oh and one important thing? Those on no mail and special delivery would need to change settings to Individual email only

On Wednesday, October 16, 2019, 12:08:02 PM CDT, SHARON <ceegee2006@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

 

Yahoo groups major changes coming.  Go to this link for information ;

 

 

If I understand it groups will be an email list  I think its saying no group archives

•Files

•Polls

•Links

•Photos

•Folders

•Calendar

•Database

•Attachments

•Conversations

•Email Updates

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•Message History<-----------------

The Yahoo Groups site will continue to exist, however, all public groups will be made private or restricted. Any new group members will need to request an invite or be invited by an admin. Admins will still be able to manage various group settings, though some functionality will be limited.

On October 21st, you will no longer be able to upload any content to the site. To share info with members of your groups, you'll continue to be able to do so via email.

You'll still be able to communicate with your groups via email and search for private groups on the site. In addition, admins will continue to have limited access to group settings and administration tools..

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The groups I am moderator of I may be looking into moving to IO website  But we all must do something to be ready I just am so not happy..

 

 

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October 17, 2019

[Reality-TV-Fanatics] Survivor host Jeff Probst weighs in on Noura's terrible lie

 

https://ew.com/tv/2019/10/17/survivor-jeff-probst-island-of-the-idols-episode-4/

Survivor host Jeff Probst weighs in on Noura's terrible lie

ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: Chelsea gets voted out by the women in her women's alliance, with seemingly her only crime being the perception that she was in a showmance. Was her mistake getting too close to Dean to begin with, or not working hard enough to convince her alliance-mates that they were her priority?
JEFF PROBST: I feel like I should give you another question, as I don't have much of an answer for this one! I honestly don't know the truth. But here's what I think: There was never a showmance, but even the perception that Chelsea and Dean might have an alliance within an alliance is enough to shine a giant spotlight. And if you ever feel that light shining on you, you have to find a way to climb the lighting tower and move that bright beam over to someone else. Poor Chelsea, she applied for so many years, she worked hard at camp, she found an idol and then was voted out with it in her pocket. But I will say, that's the kind of gameplay we look for and expect from today's Survivor player. Yes, she got blindsided, but most do. It's just how the game goes.

Okay, I need your thoughts on a lot of aspects of Noura going to Island of the Idols. Let's take this one at a time. First of all, what do you make of her volunteering to go when everyone else was worried it would put too much of a target on their back?
It kind of echoes the answer above in this sense: We look for people who come to play. Sometimes the play is to step back in the hopes that someone else will step forward. In this case, Noura decided to be the one to step forward. What I like about the move is Noura is not waiting for the game to come to her, she is seeking opportunity. A visit to Island of the Idols offers opportunity, and historically speaking the best Survivor players always seek opportunity. I'm not making any predictions about how Noura's game will ultimately be rated, I'm merely stating that she is in good company.

Jeff, that lie Noura told her tribe when she got back how they had to unanimously agree to the role she would play in the next challenge before even telling them what the challenge entailed was so bad it was painful to watch. I probably would have just not told them anything and then promoted myself as the caller once the challenge was announced. What did you make of Noura's story, and what would you have done in her position?
As I said last week in our tease of this episode, this is my favorite Island of the Idols visit so far — specifically because of Noura and the funny way Sandra and Rob interacted with her! Noura is certainly unique. It's been a long time since we've had anyone as spontaneous and open with their decision-making process (or lackthereof), and that makes her very fun to watch. But regarding the execution of her idea… well, it's easy to backseat drive… but in this case, I have a feeling Noura might even take the wheel herself. But oh man, it was fun to watch!

Photo: Robert Voets/CBS

Okay, now let's talk about the tribe's reaction. Noura tells them that in order for her to describe the challenge they all have to agree to give her the position of her choosing. But then later at the challenge they tell you that Noura is going to sit out, essentially calling her bluff and denying her the caller spot she coveted. What do you think of that move?
I don't think Noura ever had a shot. The basic logic of her story just did not make sense. A good lie has to have some basis in reality, especially on Survivor. There were other ways she could have maneuvered to be the caller, but the minute she told the tribe that story… she was done. And although I wasn't inside the conversation, my guess would be that the tribe knew if it was actually mandatory that Noura be the caller, then at some point I would have said, "Hold up! Noura must be the caller." That was one of the many plot holes in Noura's story, there were so many ways to cross-check it. And although I think it would have been very entertaining to see Noura in the caller role, I think the tribe made the wise choice.

Finally, it looks like it's time for a tribe swap next week. What can you tell us?
I love it when I know an answer to one of your queries. Okay, let me explain! So, a tribe swap is a phrase that indicates players on all tribes will have to draw new buffs and potentially swap tribes. It's designed to mix up the game by forcing you to form new relationships and test the strength of existing alliances. It doesn't always happen that you actually swap tribes. Sometimes you end up on the same tribe. Crazy! But technically this moment is still referred to as a swap, a.k.a. "switch."

It's something we first did in our third season in Africa, and it was met with a lot of controversy. Oh boy, fans hated it. Thought it was soooooooo unfair. Fortunately, Survivor doesn't have controversial twists anymore, other than when I don't wear a blue shirt. Other than that, our audience adores everything we do, and they have for many years now! I can't think of the last time someone complained about a creative idea. Anyway, so yes, from 3,000 feet that is the working and current definition of a Survivor tribe swap. But since I still have a few characters left to use, I could give you a bit of a tease for next week: Our biggest reward of the season and another killer Tribal Council!

Watch an exclusive deleted scene from the episode above. Also make sure to read our full episode recap, as well as our exit interview with Chelsea and our look at why men keep winning the game, and for more Survivor scoop, follow Dalton on Twitter @DaltonRoss.

Related content:
•Vince Moua of Survivor reveals what he told tribe about Island of the Idols
•Survivor host Jeff Probst on the show's most diverse cast in years

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October 17, 2019

[BigBrother_Survivor] Survivor host Jeff Probst weighs in on Noura's terrible lie

 

https://ew.com/tv/2019/10/17/survivor-jeff-probst-island-of-the-idols-episode-4/

Survivor host Jeff Probst weighs in on Noura's terrible lie

ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: Chelsea gets voted out by the women in her women's alliance, with seemingly her only crime being the perception that she was in a showmance. Was her mistake getting too close to Dean to begin with, or not working hard enough to convince her alliance-mates that they were her priority?
JEFF PROBST: I feel like I should give you another question, as I don't have much of an answer for this one! I honestly don't know the truth. But here's what I think: There was never a showmance, but even the perception that Chelsea and Dean might have an alliance within an alliance is enough to shine a giant spotlight. And if you ever feel that light shining on you, you have to find a way to climb the lighting tower and move that bright beam over to someone else. Poor Chelsea, she applied for so many years, she worked hard at camp, she found an idol and then was voted out with it in her pocket. But I will say, that's the kind of gameplay we look for and expect from today's Survivor player. Yes, she got blindsided, but most do. It's just how the game goes.

Okay, I need your thoughts on a lot of aspects of Noura going to Island of the Idols. Let's take this one at a time. First of all, what do you make of her volunteering to go when everyone else was worried it would put too much of a target on their back?
It kind of echoes the answer above in this sense: We look for people who come to play. Sometimes the play is to step back in the hopes that someone else will step forward. In this case, Noura decided to be the one to step forward. What I like about the move is Noura is not waiting for the game to come to her, she is seeking opportunity. A visit to Island of the Idols offers opportunity, and historically speaking the best Survivor players always seek opportunity. I'm not making any predictions about how Noura's game will ultimately be rated, I'm merely stating that she is in good company.

Jeff, that lie Noura told her tribe when she got back how they had to unanimously agree to the role she would play in the next challenge before even telling them what the challenge entailed was so bad it was painful to watch. I probably would have just not told them anything and then promoted myself as the caller once the challenge was announced. What did you make of Noura's story, and what would you have done in her position?
As I said last week in our tease of this episode, this is my favorite Island of the Idols visit so far — specifically because of Noura and the funny way Sandra and Rob interacted with her! Noura is certainly unique. It's been a long time since we've had anyone as spontaneous and open with their decision-making process (or lackthereof), and that makes her very fun to watch. But regarding the execution of her idea… well, it's easy to backseat drive… but in this case, I have a feeling Noura might even take the wheel herself. But oh man, it was fun to watch!

Photo: Robert Voets/CBS

Okay, now let's talk about the tribe's reaction. Noura tells them that in order for her to describe the challenge they all have to agree to give her the position of her choosing. But then later at the challenge they tell you that Noura is going to sit out, essentially calling her bluff and denying her the caller spot she coveted. What do you think of that move?
I don't think Noura ever had a shot. The basic logic of her story just did not make sense. A good lie has to have some basis in reality, especially on Survivor. There were other ways she could have maneuvered to be the caller, but the minute she told the tribe that story… she was done. And although I wasn't inside the conversation, my guess would be that the tribe knew if it was actually mandatory that Noura be the caller, then at some point I would have said, "Hold up! Noura must be the caller." That was one of the many plot holes in Noura's story, there were so many ways to cross-check it. And although I think it would have been very entertaining to see Noura in the caller role, I think the tribe made the wise choice.

Finally, it looks like it's time for a tribe swap next week. What can you tell us?
I love it when I know an answer to one of your queries. Okay, let me explain! So, a tribe swap is a phrase that indicates players on all tribes will have to draw new buffs and potentially swap tribes. It's designed to mix up the game by forcing you to form new relationships and test the strength of existing alliances. It doesn't always happen that you actually swap tribes. Sometimes you end up on the same tribe. Crazy! But technically this moment is still referred to as a swap, a.k.a. "switch."

It's something we first did in our third season in Africa, and it was met with a lot of controversy. Oh boy, fans hated it. Thought it was soooooooo unfair. Fortunately, Survivor doesn't have controversial twists anymore, other than when I don't wear a blue shirt. Other than that, our audience adores everything we do, and they have for many years now! I can't think of the last time someone complained about a creative idea. Anyway, so yes, from 3,000 feet that is the working and current definition of a Survivor tribe swap. But since I still have a few characters left to use, I could give you a bit of a tease for next week: Our biggest reward of the season and another killer Tribal Council!

Watch an exclusive deleted scene from the episode above. Also make sure to read our full episode recap, as well as our exit interview with Chelsea and our look at why men keep winning the game, and for more Survivor scoop, follow Dalton on Twitter @DaltonRoss.

Related content:
•Vince Moua of Survivor reveals what he told tribe about Island of the Idols
•Survivor host Jeff Probst on the show's most diverse cast in years

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October 17, 2019

[Reality-TV-Fanatics] Survivor: Island of the Idols recap: Noura's big (and really bad) lie

 

https://ew.com/recap/survivor-season-39-episode-4/

Survivor: Island of the Idols recap: Noura's big (and really bad) lie

By Dalton Ross October 16, 2019 at 09:00 PM EDT

Hey, I'll make you all a deal. I'll let you all read this week's Survivor recap, but if you agree to start the recap, then you have to promise to read every single word, no matter what I end up writing about. I understand that makes no sense whatsoever, especially since you are completely unaware of the contents to follow, but seeing as you have already read this far, I suppose that means you have already agreed to my terms. Sorry, suckers!

With that in mind, allow me now to begin my 40,000-word essay on the Scientology film Battlefield Earth and the inspiration for the giant humanoid aliens known as "Psychlos" who rule our desolate homeworld in the year 3000. Now, the first thing to know about the Psychlos is that they are unable to breathe in Earth's atmosphere so have constructed a massive dome to protect them while they go about their business of enslaving humankind. That's important to note, because later in the film…

You know what? Never mind. Go ask John Travolta. He'll give you the full rundown. Instead, we can dissect every awkward, glorious moment of Noura's visit to Island of the Idols. So many elements of this to get into. Let's begin with…

THE DECISION
A boat showed up at the Vokai beach telling the tribe they had to unanimously select one person to go to Island of the Idols, and if they could not all agree, they had to draw a name out of a bag. The question was put out if anyone wanted to go, and, of course, anyone with half a brain said no. Because as advantageous as it might be to get an idol or some sort of advantage, asking the tribe to send you somewhere so you could get said idol or advantage would immediately put a target on your back. As Tommy so eloquently stated, "My whole game is about lowering my threat level."

If only there was someone who didn't know how to play and was a little off their rocker. Oh, right, Noura! Noura volunteered because, as she would say later, "I am not a typical Survivor player. I feel like a novice in this game." Well, she proved it with that move of volunteering to go to IOTI. Yes, there is the theory that if you are already definitely on the bottom, why not go there anyway to hopefully get some protection, but that is misanalyzing the tribe dynamic.

Noura is too easy to get out now. With all the jockeying for position and numbers going on, Noura most likely had a free ride because she was a player with absolutely no power. That was her strength. It's why she survived the first vote, and it's why people started targeting bigger players like Dan and Jamal last week. The only thing that could make Noura a target is making herself a threat. Had she stayed back and bitched about people not doing enough work and taught her beachside yoga sessions, she would have been fine. Instead, she tried to make a move, which brings us to…

THE VISIT
I'm not entirely convinced Noura even knew who Boston Rob and Sandra were when they walked out to the beach to greet her. I would have assumed production gave her copies of the Heroes vs. Villains season to watch before playing so she could at least have a semblance of a clue who these two legends were in case she got sent to the island, but Noura looked like that person who has no clue whom they are actually talking to at a high school reunion and is trying to piece it together mid-conversation so they don't have to come clean about their own cluelessness. "Heyyyyyyyyyyy, youuuuuuuuuu. How are…things? It's been a while, right? When was the last time we saw each other anyway? No, seriously, tell me."

Noura's lesson this week was on "the art of persuasion," which brings us to this week's excerpt from The Boston Rob® Rulebook: Strategies for Life. This week's passage comes from the chapter titled "Turn the Tables in Your Favor." Ladies & gentlemen, the wisdom of Boston Rob Mariano…

"People are constantly judged by the way they look, particularly women. What type of clothes they wear, how their hair looks, their weight, etc. They are constantly on display for criticism. Is that fair? Hell no. Does it happen? You bet your ass it does. Every single day. However, a woman who realizes this and who uses this knowledge to her advantage will have everyone else eating out of the palm of her hand, while those who don't will continue to suffer from the inequality."

I'll be honest, that excerpt doesn't really have anything to do with this week's episode, but it does give me a convenient excuse to direct you to an article I posted this morning on the recent gender disparity in Survivor winners. There are some pretty shocking statistics in terms of how juries have been voting over the past few years and I encourage you to check it out right here.

Anyway, Rob told Noura all about how important it is to get people to do your bidding by twisting their mind to your cause. While he did so, Sandra nodded vigorously and we were treated to lots of Survivor flashbacks, including the epic immunity necklace giveaway from Survivor: Micronesia (and if you have not read my oral history of the event, drop everything you are doing and read that immediately; I promise it is better than Battlefield Earth).

Rob then told Noura that if she could convince her tribe to make her the caller at the next blindfolded immunity challenge, then she would get to block another player's vote at her next Tribal Council. But if she accepted the challenge and did not end up the caller, then she would lose her vote at her next Tribal Council.

Now, there's a lot to consider when weighing this offer in terms of… "I'M DOING IT NO MATTER WHAT. I'M NOT THINKING TWICE!" Whoa, that was fast. And that pretty much sums up Noura. No pause. No self-control. No pros and cons lists. No haggling to see if she could get a better deal. Noura saw a shiny object and she grabbed it. Kind of like the way I grab a Milwaukee's Best without asking too many questions. Questions like: Should I perhaps one day start drinking a beer that does not taste like piss?

Boston Rob's take on his visitor was pretty blunt. I'm sorry, what I meant to say was, Boston's Rob take on his visitor was that she had been smoking gigantic blunts. "Noura is the last person you'd want in the caller position," said the Robfather. "She cannot coherently communicate anything to anyone. She's living in Noura world."

So Noura already faltered in volunteering to go to Island of the Idols, and then faltered in jumping at the challenge without taking the time to think it out. But how would she handle it when she returned to her tribe. Which brings us to…

THE LIE
So what would Noura's strategy be when she got back to her beach? The way I see it, there were two decent options. Option 1 would be for Noura to come clean and say that Boston Rob and Sandra were there (because there is absolutely no reason not to reveal their presence other than bumming out the producers who want to keep it a secret) and that they would give her advance information on the challenge if she agreed to the role they assigned her. Then she would say she agreed and then they told her she had to be the caller. This is a bit risky, however, because one or more tribemates may ask Jeff about it at the challenge or try to assign someone else to see what happens. That's why I prefer Option 2.

Option 2 would be to pull a Kellee and make up a totally different lie about what happened at IOTI, wait until the blindfold challenge is announced by Jeff, and then promote yourself for the job. Just say, "Guys, you know how loud I am. Here's a chance for me to put that to good use. I think I would be really good at this." If they pick you, great! You just won an advantage. If they don't, you lose your vote but you at least don't seem as shady. And there's always a good chance they let you be the caller if you ask, because players in this game are more than happy to allow others to screw themselves over by stepping up in a challenge and then not performing, because it moves the target off of themselves and onto you.

Noura, however, did not do either of those things. Instead, she got back to camp and informed her tribe that she could tell them all about the next immunity challenge ONLY if they first unanimously agreed to the role she would play in the next challenge. So, as Tommy astutely pointed out, she was asking them to agree to her role without even knowing what the challenge was. When they pressed her further, she floundered and just told them to agree and say yes. Which they did. Noura's lie may have been the most unconvincing thing I have heard on Survivor since Phillip Sheppard first told us he was a former FBI agent, but the players wanted to hear more so they were like, "Sure, whatever."

But then when it was time to deliver all the details, all Noura told them was that it was a blindfolded challenge. Not what they were gathering. How they were divided up. Or any other stages of the contest. Just that they couldn't see. And when they started to practice, it was an unmitigated disaster. Noura was terrible in the role. So what would happen once they got to the challenge…

THE DOUBLE CROSS
The tribes arrived at the challenge, Vokai gave their contractually obligated shocked facial expressions seeing that Vince had been ousted, and Jeff Probst proceeded to give them the instructions for the challenge. And then he asked Vokai which of them was sitting out the contest since they had one extra member. The answer came back: Noura.

Noura? Noura. So after listening to Noura's cockamamie lie and agreeing to her cockamamie rule, the tribe then went back on their word and not only didn't allow her to be the caller — they did not even let her compete in any capacity! That is ice cold. And smart. And I love it because it's the twist none of us saw coming. (Take that, M. Night Shyamalan!) Essentially, the tribe called her bluff, which was not particularly difficult to do because, and I cannot stress this enough, NOURA IS THE WORLD'S WORST LIAR! Sometimes you have to work harder to spot visual clues when someone is fibbing — like the way Victoria would not make eye contact with Aubry last season when lying about the vote. Other times, it is just so damn obvious.

The fact that Noura thought the tribe would buy what she was selling is somewhat staggering. And I love the fact that not only did they not fall for it, but they went on the offensive and took her out of her caller spot as a punishment for her crimes. (I do get the feeling that we missed a scene explaining this, however. Was the practice so bad that they told her she had to step aside? Did she finally tell them the truth? Would love to get more intel on what went down in between the practice and Jeff asking who was sitting out.)

Regardless, Noura provided a one-person clinic on how to not play Survivor. I have to imagine that's what The Boston Rob® Rulebook: Strategies for Life must read like in the Upsidedown. Essentially, do the exact opposite of what the Robfather would do in any situation.

Okay, a few other things to hit on quickly before we wrap up.

• Never leave one person alone back at camp. Perhaps the Vokai tribe was aware of this and that is why Jason stayed back with Jamal to make sure he didn't go idol hunting, but that also makes no sense because Jason had already been busted for idol-hunting himself. And then when Jason went "for a walk" (which, by the way, is what the players are supposed to say when a tribemate goes for a confessional interview) that left Jamal plenty of time to search for and find an idol. If Tommy and Janet and others are as concerned about Jamal as they said just two days prior, then one of them should have stayed back with him at the beach instead of all heading out to sea.

• Jason was a total boss stepping in for the self-nominated Noura as the caller for Vokai tribe in the challenge. The key was how calm he was narrating the puzzle for Kellee. No panic. Very measured in tone and speed. And his glory leap — which I realize sounds vaguely like some sort of term for a weird sexual act — was totally legit as he celebrated his victory while airborne. Has Jason gotten back in his tribe's good graces after his initial idol hunting misstep? At the very least, he has allowed bigger targets to emerge.

• Karishma called her tribe "a bunch of pansies." I'll just leave that one there for you all to digest as you see fit.

• Chelsea and Dean should have known better. Chelsea said during the day she wasn't there for a showmance because it messes up your game but cut to the night and all we saw was some very aggressive spooning. And then after telling us she wasn't there for a showmance, Chelsea also told us that her relationship with Dean is "going to take me far in this game," which proved to be both inaccurate and contradictory. No, Chelsea's relationship with Dean made them both targets.

That said, for the second straight week, I really don't understand the vote on the part of the women of Lairo. Last episode, they got rid of someone who wanted to work with them in Vince. This week, after Elizabeth and Elaine did not want to oust Dean, they decided to get rid of Chelsea instead. Missy argued that this way they could break up the couple and the women would still have the numbers over the men. But would they? Is Karishma anywhere close to being loyal to the women, especially after Missy blasted her at Tribal Council by announcing, "All of us are playing equally, and she is just getting lapped."

Why would you vote out an ally and then antagonize someone you need for numbers, all within a few minutes of each other? It's like you are asking to give up your numbers advantage. So odd. Not only that, but by throwing out so many different names, Missy painted a huge target on herself. The best course of strategy is to never call out names, but subtly control and convince others to come to your conclusion on whom to get rid of on their own. By gunning for Chelsea, Missy made Elaine nervous. "If she can do it to her," Elaine must have thought, "why wouldn't she do it to me?" Answer: She would. Missy has to be careful about overplaying her hand. I love the fact that she is there to play hard, but the key is to not be perceived as playing hard, and that may be out the window. Not to mention she may now have two fewer allies after next week's tribe swap.

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• I will give Missy credit for giving the most insightful quote of the episode at Tribal Council when she noted, "In some ways we're family, and in others we're complete strangers." That gets at the dynamic of Survivor so well. You meet people you know nothing about and probably would never even have any reason to interact with in the normal world, and all of a sudden you are thrust into the most bizarre and difficult living conditions imaginable and forced to suffer and survive together with little food, warmth, or sleep. That creates an incredible bond — even with the people that may annoy the crap out of you, and it's one of the most fascinating and least talked about elements about playing the game.

• "It's not fun to crush people's dreams," said Chelsea about blindsides before being on the receiving end of one herself. "But that's part of the game. It definitely is fun. I like it." Not sure that is the case now, especially after being voted out while having an idol in her pocket, but when you say stuff like that at Tribal, you are pretty much sealing your own fate with the Survivor gods. But she was right, it was fun.

You know what else is fun! Exclusive deleted scenes! And we once again have one from this week that you can see above. Not only that, but we asked Hostmaster General Jeff Probst to weigh in on Noura's terrible lie. My emotional exit interview with Chelsea is now live and will also air on EW Live (SiriusXM, channel 109) Thursday afternoon from 2-4 p.m. ET, and if you missed my article on Survivor's gender disparity, check that out here for some stats that may surprise you. And for even more Survivor scoop follow me on Twitter @DaltonRoss.

But now it's your turn. What did you make of Noura's decisions, and the tribe's choice to kick her out of a challenge? Are you as confused by the Chelsea ouster as I am? And what was your favorite Survivor flashback they showed this week? Hit the message boards to weigh in and I'll be back next week with another scoop of the crispy!

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October 17, 2019

[BigBrother_Survivor] Survivor: Island of the Idols recap: Noura's big (and really bad) lie

 

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Survivor: Island of the Idols recap: Noura's big (and really bad) lie

By Dalton Ross October 16, 2019 at 09:00 PM EDT

Hey, I'll make you all a deal. I'll let you all read this week's Survivor recap, but if you agree to start the recap, then you have to promise to read every single word, no matter what I end up writing about. I understand that makes no sense whatsoever, especially since you are completely unaware of the contents to follow, but seeing as you have already read this far, I suppose that means you have already agreed to my terms. Sorry, suckers!

With that in mind, allow me now to begin my 40,000-word essay on the Scientology film Battlefield Earth and the inspiration for the giant humanoid aliens known as "Psychlos" who rule our desolate homeworld in the year 3000. Now, the first thing to know about the Psychlos is that they are unable to breathe in Earth's atmosphere so have constructed a massive dome to protect them while they go about their business of enslaving humankind. That's important to note, because later in the film…

You know what? Never mind. Go ask John Travolta. He'll give you the full rundown. Instead, we can dissect every awkward, glorious moment of Noura's visit to Island of the Idols. So many elements of this to get into. Let's begin with…

THE DECISION
A boat showed up at the Vokai beach telling the tribe they had to unanimously select one person to go to Island of the Idols, and if they could not all agree, they had to draw a name out of a bag. The question was put out if anyone wanted to go, and, of course, anyone with half a brain said no. Because as advantageous as it might be to get an idol or some sort of advantage, asking the tribe to send you somewhere so you could get said idol or advantage would immediately put a target on your back. As Tommy so eloquently stated, "My whole game is about lowering my threat level."

If only there was someone who didn't know how to play and was a little off their rocker. Oh, right, Noura! Noura volunteered because, as she would say later, "I am not a typical Survivor player. I feel like a novice in this game." Well, she proved it with that move of volunteering to go to IOTI. Yes, there is the theory that if you are already definitely on the bottom, why not go there anyway to hopefully get some protection, but that is misanalyzing the tribe dynamic.

Noura is too easy to get out now. With all the jockeying for position and numbers going on, Noura most likely had a free ride because she was a player with absolutely no power. That was her strength. It's why she survived the first vote, and it's why people started targeting bigger players like Dan and Jamal last week. The only thing that could make Noura a target is making herself a threat. Had she stayed back and bitched about people not doing enough work and taught her beachside yoga sessions, she would have been fine. Instead, she tried to make a move, which brings us to…

THE VISIT
I'm not entirely convinced Noura even knew who Boston Rob and Sandra were when they walked out to the beach to greet her. I would have assumed production gave her copies of the Heroes vs. Villains season to watch before playing so she could at least have a semblance of a clue who these two legends were in case she got sent to the island, but Noura looked like that person who has no clue whom they are actually talking to at a high school reunion and is trying to piece it together mid-conversation so they don't have to come clean about their own cluelessness. "Heyyyyyyyyyyy, youuuuuuuuuu. How are…things? It's been a while, right? When was the last time we saw each other anyway? No, seriously, tell me."

Noura's lesson this week was on "the art of persuasion," which brings us to this week's excerpt from The Boston Rob® Rulebook: Strategies for Life. This week's passage comes from the chapter titled "Turn the Tables in Your Favor." Ladies & gentlemen, the wisdom of Boston Rob Mariano…

"People are constantly judged by the way they look, particularly women. What type of clothes they wear, how their hair looks, their weight, etc. They are constantly on display for criticism. Is that fair? Hell no. Does it happen? You bet your ass it does. Every single day. However, a woman who realizes this and who uses this knowledge to her advantage will have everyone else eating out of the palm of her hand, while those who don't will continue to suffer from the inequality."

I'll be honest, that excerpt doesn't really have anything to do with this week's episode, but it does give me a convenient excuse to direct you to an article I posted this morning on the recent gender disparity in Survivor winners. There are some pretty shocking statistics in terms of how juries have been voting over the past few years and I encourage you to check it out right here.

Anyway, Rob told Noura all about how important it is to get people to do your bidding by twisting their mind to your cause. While he did so, Sandra nodded vigorously and we were treated to lots of Survivor flashbacks, including the epic immunity necklace giveaway from Survivor: Micronesia (and if you have not read my oral history of the event, drop everything you are doing and read that immediately; I promise it is better than Battlefield Earth).

Rob then told Noura that if she could convince her tribe to make her the caller at the next blindfolded immunity challenge, then she would get to block another player's vote at her next Tribal Council. But if she accepted the challenge and did not end up the caller, then she would lose her vote at her next Tribal Council.

Now, there's a lot to consider when weighing this offer in terms of… "I'M DOING IT NO MATTER WHAT. I'M NOT THINKING TWICE!" Whoa, that was fast. And that pretty much sums up Noura. No pause. No self-control. No pros and cons lists. No haggling to see if she could get a better deal. Noura saw a shiny object and she grabbed it. Kind of like the way I grab a Milwaukee's Best without asking too many questions. Questions like: Should I perhaps one day start drinking a beer that does not taste like piss?

Boston Rob's take on his visitor was pretty blunt. I'm sorry, what I meant to say was, Boston's Rob take on his visitor was that she had been smoking gigantic blunts. "Noura is the last person you'd want in the caller position," said the Robfather. "She cannot coherently communicate anything to anyone. She's living in Noura world."

So Noura already faltered in volunteering to go to Island of the Idols, and then faltered in jumping at the challenge without taking the time to think it out. But how would she handle it when she returned to her tribe. Which brings us to…

THE LIE
So what would Noura's strategy be when she got back to her beach? The way I see it, there were two decent options. Option 1 would be for Noura to come clean and say that Boston Rob and Sandra were there (because there is absolutely no reason not to reveal their presence other than bumming out the producers who want to keep it a secret) and that they would give her advance information on the challenge if she agreed to the role they assigned her. Then she would say she agreed and then they told her she had to be the caller. This is a bit risky, however, because one or more tribemates may ask Jeff about it at the challenge or try to assign someone else to see what happens. That's why I prefer Option 2.

Option 2 would be to pull a Kellee and make up a totally different lie about what happened at IOTI, wait until the blindfold challenge is announced by Jeff, and then promote yourself for the job. Just say, "Guys, you know how loud I am. Here's a chance for me to put that to good use. I think I would be really good at this." If they pick you, great! You just won an advantage. If they don't, you lose your vote but you at least don't seem as shady. And there's always a good chance they let you be the caller if you ask, because players in this game are more than happy to allow others to screw themselves over by stepping up in a challenge and then not performing, because it moves the target off of themselves and onto you.

Noura, however, did not do either of those things. Instead, she got back to camp and informed her tribe that she could tell them all about the next immunity challenge ONLY if they first unanimously agreed to the role she would play in the next challenge. So, as Tommy astutely pointed out, she was asking them to agree to her role without even knowing what the challenge was. When they pressed her further, she floundered and just told them to agree and say yes. Which they did. Noura's lie may have been the most unconvincing thing I have heard on Survivor since Phillip Sheppard first told us he was a former FBI agent, but the players wanted to hear more so they were like, "Sure, whatever."

But then when it was time to deliver all the details, all Noura told them was that it was a blindfolded challenge. Not what they were gathering. How they were divided up. Or any other stages of the contest. Just that they couldn't see. And when they started to practice, it was an unmitigated disaster. Noura was terrible in the role. So what would happen once they got to the challenge…

THE DOUBLE CROSS
The tribes arrived at the challenge, Vokai gave their contractually obligated shocked facial expressions seeing that Vince had been ousted, and Jeff Probst proceeded to give them the instructions for the challenge. And then he asked Vokai which of them was sitting out the contest since they had one extra member. The answer came back: Noura.

Noura? Noura. So after listening to Noura's cockamamie lie and agreeing to her cockamamie rule, the tribe then went back on their word and not only didn't allow her to be the caller — they did not even let her compete in any capacity! That is ice cold. And smart. And I love it because it's the twist none of us saw coming. (Take that, M. Night Shyamalan!) Essentially, the tribe called her bluff, which was not particularly difficult to do because, and I cannot stress this enough, NOURA IS THE WORLD'S WORST LIAR! Sometimes you have to work harder to spot visual clues when someone is fibbing — like the way Victoria would not make eye contact with Aubry last season when lying about the vote. Other times, it is just so damn obvious.

The fact that Noura thought the tribe would buy what she was selling is somewhat staggering. And I love the fact that not only did they not fall for it, but they went on the offensive and took her out of her caller spot as a punishment for her crimes. (I do get the feeling that we missed a scene explaining this, however. Was the practice so bad that they told her she had to step aside? Did she finally tell them the truth? Would love to get more intel on what went down in between the practice and Jeff asking who was sitting out.)

Regardless, Noura provided a one-person clinic on how to not play Survivor. I have to imagine that's what The Boston Rob® Rulebook: Strategies for Life must read like in the Upsidedown. Essentially, do the exact opposite of what the Robfather would do in any situation.

Okay, a few other things to hit on quickly before we wrap up.

• Never leave one person alone back at camp. Perhaps the Vokai tribe was aware of this and that is why Jason stayed back with Jamal to make sure he didn't go idol hunting, but that also makes no sense because Jason had already been busted for idol-hunting himself. And then when Jason went "for a walk" (which, by the way, is what the players are supposed to say when a tribemate goes for a confessional interview) that left Jamal plenty of time to search for and find an idol. If Tommy and Janet and others are as concerned about Jamal as they said just two days prior, then one of them should have stayed back with him at the beach instead of all heading out to sea.

• Jason was a total boss stepping in for the self-nominated Noura as the caller for Vokai tribe in the challenge. The key was how calm he was narrating the puzzle for Kellee. No panic. Very measured in tone and speed. And his glory leap — which I realize sounds vaguely like some sort of term for a weird sexual act — was totally legit as he celebrated his victory while airborne. Has Jason gotten back in his tribe's good graces after his initial idol hunting misstep? At the very least, he has allowed bigger targets to emerge.

• Karishma called her tribe "a bunch of pansies." I'll just leave that one there for you all to digest as you see fit.

• Chelsea and Dean should have known better. Chelsea said during the day she wasn't there for a showmance because it messes up your game but cut to the night and all we saw was some very aggressive spooning. And then after telling us she wasn't there for a showmance, Chelsea also told us that her relationship with Dean is "going to take me far in this game," which proved to be both inaccurate and contradictory. No, Chelsea's relationship with Dean made them both targets.

That said, for the second straight week, I really don't understand the vote on the part of the women of Lairo. Last episode, they got rid of someone who wanted to work with them in Vince. This week, after Elizabeth and Elaine did not want to oust Dean, they decided to get rid of Chelsea instead. Missy argued that this way they could break up the couple and the women would still have the numbers over the men. But would they? Is Karishma anywhere close to being loyal to the women, especially after Missy blasted her at Tribal Council by announcing, "All of us are playing equally, and she is just getting lapped."

Why would you vote out an ally and then antagonize someone you need for numbers, all within a few minutes of each other? It's like you are asking to give up your numbers advantage. So odd. Not only that, but by throwing out so many different names, Missy painted a huge target on herself. The best course of strategy is to never call out names, but subtly control and convince others to come to your conclusion on whom to get rid of on their own. By gunning for Chelsea, Missy made Elaine nervous. "If she can do it to her," Elaine must have thought, "why wouldn't she do it to me?" Answer: She would. Missy has to be careful about overplaying her hand. I love the fact that she is there to play hard, but the key is to not be perceived as playing hard, and that may be out the window. Not to mention she may now have two fewer allies after next week's tribe swap.

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• I will give Missy credit for giving the most insightful quote of the episode at Tribal Council when she noted, "In some ways we're family, and in others we're complete strangers." That gets at the dynamic of Survivor so well. You meet people you know nothing about and probably would never even have any reason to interact with in the normal world, and all of a sudden you are thrust into the most bizarre and difficult living conditions imaginable and forced to suffer and survive together with little food, warmth, or sleep. That creates an incredible bond — even with the people that may annoy the crap out of you, and it's one of the most fascinating and least talked about elements about playing the game.

• "It's not fun to crush people's dreams," said Chelsea about blindsides before being on the receiving end of one herself. "But that's part of the game. It definitely is fun. I like it." Not sure that is the case now, especially after being voted out while having an idol in her pocket, but when you say stuff like that at Tribal, you are pretty much sealing your own fate with the Survivor gods. But she was right, it was fun.

You know what else is fun! Exclusive deleted scenes! And we once again have one from this week that you can see above. Not only that, but we asked Hostmaster General Jeff Probst to weigh in on Noura's terrible lie. My emotional exit interview with Chelsea is now live and will also air on EW Live (SiriusXM, channel 109) Thursday afternoon from 2-4 p.m. ET, and if you missed my article on Survivor's gender disparity, check that out here for some stats that may surprise you. And for even more Survivor scoop follow me on Twitter @DaltonRoss.

But now it's your turn. What did you make of Noura's decisions, and the tribe's choice to kick her out of a challenge? Are you as confused by the Chelsea ouster as I am? And what was your favorite Survivor flashback they showed this week? Hit the message boards to weigh in and I'll be back next week with another scoop of the crispy!

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October 17, 2019

[BigBrother_Survivor] The Masked Singer 2 Recap: Week 4 Results Live Blog (VIDEOS)

 


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The Masked Singer 2 Recap: Week 4 Results Live Blog (VIDEOS)

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Tonight, season 2 of the wacky singing competition, The Masked Singer continues on FOX. Six of the remaining 12 celebrities sing for a second time. After the audience and judges vote, ONE singer will be unmasked.

Ken Jeong, Jenny McCarthy, Nicole Scherzinger and Robin Thicke sit on the panel, while Nick Cannon hosts and is an executive producer.

The Masked Singer 2 Spoilers: Week 1 Clues and Guesses
The Masked Singer 2 Spoilers: Week 2 Clues and Predictions
The Masked Singer 2 Spoilers: Week 3 Clues and Guesses

Tonight, Flamingo, Thingamajig, Skeleton, Black Widow, Butterfly and Leopard perform.

Flamingo

Clues: "Hi my little flopstars. Being here has been so dope. Cheetah Cheetah flam flam! It reminds me of when I first started out. I went from hood rat to Hollywood triple threat. I come from humble beginnings with absolutely zero connections until one day I was discovered by a powerful wizard who plucked me off my stoop and lead me into a dream. After years of highs and lows, it's been awhile since I've felt that same passion. But being here, I feel like I can do anything. And tonight I'm gonna shake up this competition with a ong that will prove this bird can move." Visual cues:  Flamingo in front of a gas station in the desert. A bunch of car tires in a field. She holds out an apple. A pink mini boom box.

Performance: "Footloose" – Flamingo is a good singer. And she can dance too. Flamingo has Disney star written all over her.  She's not going home tonight. Jennifer says she "broke my botox." har. Nicole guesses Ally Brooke (NOPE), Jenny guesses Adrienne Bailon. YEP. That's what the internet thinks! Robin guesses Kandi Burruss. Hint: "When I was a kid, I wanted to be a doctor. I even attended a medical training school." Popular guess: Jenny's Adrienne Bailon. She grew up in Brooklyn, was discovered by Ricky Martin, was a member of the Cheetah Girls, and did consider a career in medicine. Leopard

Clues: "After all my years at the top, it was humbling to nearly lose my mask in a smackdown. It made my more determined than ever to prove I'm still a prime time champion. But you know darlings, I wasn't born a winner. I wasn't even always wanted. After being passed from pack to pack, I found I could use my talent as my escape. I have lived my life in color ever since. I always tell my cubs that no matter what the world labels you, it's never too late to flip the script. As the leopard, I want to be a hero in their eyes. That would be my greatest title yet." Visual clues: Door with "1963." A basket with a newspaper placed in front of it. Headlines "Finding your home," "Fans United for Leopard," "Finding your place," Black and white turns into color.

Performance: Stitches by Shawn Mendes – The performance is a little sleepy, but Leopard can sing. Ken things he's an actor, because he plays his character so well. Nicole guesses Billy Porter, Jenny guesses RuPaul, because drag queen style, Ken guesses Neil Patrick Harris (NOPE). Jenny says Neil  is not that tall. Hint: "I once served fast food.." – Popular guesses – I don't think it's RuPaul, who is busy with his own reality show franchise. Billy Porter had a secure childhood in Pittsburgh, attending performing arts high schools, etc. Jamie Foxx was raised by his grandparents and the references to "color" could refer to starring in the FOX show In Living Color. Hm.

Black Widow

Clues: "Performing as the black widow for the first time, I felt so confident as this edgy, sultry arachnid. You gotta understand. Ever since I was an itsy bitsy spider, I've had to embody a squeaky clean image. But no matter what I try, I just never felt like I fit the part. So while I've had an amazing career that's taken on all different shapes, I've been waiting for a moment like this, where I don't have to pretend. Because all you know for sure about me is my voice and my badonkadonk. And tonight, I'm going country to get y'all even more tangled up in my web." Visual clues: Framed photo of a peach, she knits, a framed gold record, a television.

Performance: Before He Cheats by Carrie Underwood – Pretty strong vocal coming from Black Widow. She gave Jenny the chills. Robin guesses Raven Symone. Nicole guesses Christina Aguilera (doesn't even sound like her!) Ken guesses Tatyana Ali from Fresh Prince. Hint: "I never went to prom. But I pretended to." Popular guess: Raven Symone. She was on Cosby and did a bunch of Disney stuff including Cheetah Girls. She's released music too. Also, she's from Georgia (Peach references).

Skeleton

Clues: "Going up against the Egg I thought for sure I was going to get beaten. It would have been a shame to unmask after my first shot at being a headliner. You see amigos, my life has been pretty great. But sometimes it feels like joint custody and I'm the deadbeat dad who only gets the keys on the weekend. The long and short of it is, that ever since childhood, I've felt overshadowed. But then in my career, I realized, that being in the background let me more instrumental in orchestrating those around me. Now that I've had a taste of the spotlight, I'm holding on to it for dear life. And I'm dead serious."

Performance: Are You Gonna Be My Girl by Jet – Damn It's SO OBVIOUS who this is. And although he's entertaining he's not a great singer. Good chance he goes home tonight. He's Ken's sentimental favorites. Nicole guesses Teller from Pen & Teller. Ken guesses Martin Short (AGAIN MARTY CAN SANG Y'ALL. NOT HIM). Jenny guesses Paul Schafer. BINGO. Jenny guesses correctly. "I was once once inducted into the national black sports and entertainment hall of fame." Popular guess. Paul Schafer. That voice is unmistakable. All the "second fiddle" references (He was David Letterman's sidekick for over 30 years), and references to "orchestrating."

Thingamajig

Clues: "Before my first performance, I was shaking like a feather. But once the song started, the nerves melted away. Singing has always actually been my first love. Growing up, my parents taught me to do well in school, don't worm around and don't run with the bulls. I was also taught that a thingamajig's real magic comes from within. I"ve always worn my heart on my sleeve. I guess I'm just a big softie. With this song, I just want to show the world I'm just as warm in fuzzy on the inside as I am I am on the outside. Visual cues: Closet full of outfits, Dolls, sitting at at tiny table with a tea set, an American flag. He hangs out on what looks like a training table.

Performance: Rainbow by Kacey Musgraves – This sentimental and vulnerable performance will definitely advance Thingamajig to the next round. Oh look! Nicole is fake crying. Aw Thingy forms a heart with his hands. As much as he can. Robin guesses…he has none. Nicole guesses…baby jesus. Ha. She guesses Lebron James. Nick shakes his head. Ken doesn't think it's a basketball player. Ken guesses Montell Jordan. Hint: "My darkest moment was when I went to rehab." Popular guess: Basketball player Victor Oladipo. He played for the Orlando Magic, and released music on the Feathery Music label. The rehab reference may actually mean recovering from a tough injury 2019.

Butterfly

Clues: "After time in isolation, I was terrified to step out on that stage. But my coming out as the Butterfly showed me I can be whoever I want to be. At the height of my career, I had everyone saying my name. But when I tried to spread my wings, I lost flight. Everyone had something to say and it always got back to me. It lead to break-ups, breakdown and hibernation. I thought it was the end. But under this mask, I feel like I'm being given a second chance. As the Butterfly, I can be any age, color, voice, or genre. No one can put me in a net, or clip my wings ever again." Visual clues: Shots of London again. There's a shot of a mirror with magazine clippings that say various things like "Meow baby," You Can Do it," "Welcome to your bizarre life," "More to love," "Hit the lights," "Lurking for Love," "High from the past," "Please stop showing me memories of my Ex."

Performance: Livin on a Prayer by Bon Jovi – Boring performance, but Butterfly can sing. Robin noted that she seemed to be holding back. Oh no.. She got electrocuted in rehearsal. No wonder she was tentative tonight. Jenny guesses Fantasia (NOPE NOPE NOPE). Ken guesses Mel B. Nicole guesses Twiggy. Weird guess. Robin guesses Leona Lewis. "I was good in school. But a rebel outside of school. I got a butterfly tattoo." At which point, the panel realizes she is not Twiggy. – Popular guess Destiny's Child Singer Michelle Williams (The group released a popular song titled "Say My Name"

RESULTS: And leaving the competition is….SKELETON! I knew it. Now unmask yourself Paul Schaeffer. Heh. Jenny guesses Paul Schaeffer. Robin agrees. Ken guesses Martin Short. Nicole guesses Teller.

AND YES THE SKELETON IS PAUL SHAFFER.  All those second banana clues were about being David Letterman's sidekick for over 30 years.

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