Right... and to watch the movies and see the history is heart-breaking to me. I have cried over watching this stuff. But what I don't like is being generalized as being ok with history because I am white. That's what hurts. My library just had a speaker at our annual meeting whose mother was taken from Poland to work in German labor camps and they had to wear the letter P to identify themselves... they had no rights and were just taken from their country. I talked to her and told her how my dad lived his whole life in depression due to the scars of that time period, as did her mother who eventually was free when the war was over. There really are two sides to some of these things in history, and just because he lived in Germany doesn't make him a bad person or that he agreed with what Nazi Germans did... he was not one of them, even though he was born there.
Crystal
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Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 3:51 AM
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The power of racism
Each of these ways of thinking about the relationship between humans and monkeys reinforced the connection made by Europeans between Africans and apes. And by making it seem as if people of a non-European origin were more like apes than humans, these different theories were used to justify plantation slavery in the Americas and colonialism through the rest of the world.
You have to know that many slave owners and people who believed in slavery thought black people were not human they were closer to apes and thus should not be treated like humans nor have the same rights as humans . This rationale allowed them to use black slaves and feel it is perfectly ok to do .
Jeff
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On May 31, 2018, at 3:18 AM, 'Crystal Krantz' lovebarbie@roadrunner.com [FunBBGroup] <FunBBGroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Is racism because she said the "Muslim" word in her tweet? Excuse my ignorance... or was it the monkey thing? If this Valerie woman were white, would it have not been racism calling her a monkey? I have these conversations with black friends in my life.... trying to understand their point of view. Sometimes I feel like I have to watch what I say so it's not perceived wrong... not because I'm racist, but because I don't want to say anything. I had this conversation with my nephew's girlfriend, she is black, he is white. I told her how I have a new friend that is black, and I really enjoy her company, but I feel like I have to be extra cautious to not say the wrong thing. For example, my group is going on a cruise, and some of the ladies need roommates... she was one of them (I would room with her, but have to room with my cousin who I travel with)... so there's this other black woman that joined my group that I thought would be a good roommate for her, not because they are both black but because I think they are both nice people. I also recommended some nice white ladies as well... my point is, that it's kind of sad that I even have to worry about what one might think of my intentions... I didn't want my black friend to think I was recommending the other black lady for a roommate because she's black, so I had a conversation with my son's girlfriend (who is close to our family.... they have a baby together)... to help me understand if it's ok to say certain things without coming across the wrong way! It just frustrates me because I wish we didn't even have to worry about what it the wrong thing to say. I told her that I want to understand, that it's not my fault for what happened 200 years ago... how long does this have to go on? Just like how long to Germans have to pay for what Hitler did? Most of them had no choice to obey him, even if they didn't want to. I dunno.... just kind of sad to me that these barriers seem to even be an issue. I hope not to offend anyone and that my words are coming across the way I intend.
Crystal
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It's not name calling or talking about looks. It was out and out blatant racism. And this is not the first time she tweeted racist things. She also tweets anti Semitic tweets too. But she mostly did it before Roseanne started back up so they took a chance with her.. But this she tweeted while working for ABC/Disney. That's not what Abc/Disney wants representing their company.
If she had just made a comment about looks she wouldn't have been fired. She was fired for racism.
Natalie
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On May 30, 2018, at 12:46 AM, 'Crystal Krantz' lovebarbie@roadrunner.com [FunBBGroup] <FunBBGroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
First comedy show I watched every episode in quite some time. Too bad she had to open her big mouth. Let's face it, there's usually been a time when anyone will pick on someone's looks, but to do it publically is just stupid. Her mind must be going. I don't condone what she did, it's just too bad because a lot of people liked her show. I wonder why she had a beef with that lady to even bother tweeting something about her.... I never even heard of this lady. I dunno, people just do stupid things sometimes and then regret it. My husband and I were talking about it and not 1/2 hour later he was commenting on someone's looks in a TV Commercial and I joked to him that he'd be fired for that! It doesn't matter if black or white, shouldn't publically call someone on their looks... but if she had said that about a white person, would it have been the same result? You just can't go around using the ape/monkey comment about people.
Crystal
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Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2018 7:26 PM
To: Brian Hartsfield bh@tronstar.com [FunBBGroup]
Subject: Re: [FunBBGroup] roseanne revival cancelled
Frasier and Cheers were made by CBS, yet NBC aired them both. Same with Wings. All 3 were CBS productions that aired on NBC. But.....none of them had the PR problem that Roseanne currently has. But don't forget, she did something pretty awful back in the day, with thin singing of the national anthem, and grabbing her croch. And everyone got past that. So this isn't a death knell for her completely.
Carrie Courter
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On Tuesday, May 29, 2018, 4:30:48 PM CDT, Brian Hartsfield bh@tronstar.com [FunBBGroup] <FunBBGroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
It would be tough for somebody else to pick it up..
1. How many of the cast would come back? One cast member already left before they cancelled it.
2. The show is made by ABC itself which would make it tougher to show to another network and i doubt abc would even want to.
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On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 2:42 PM, Natalie Natalieav2@aol.com [FunBBGroup] <FunBBGroup@yahoogroups..com> wrote:
I would hope not. And I hope another network doesn't pick the show up either.Natalie
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On May 29, 2018, at 2:40 PM, Jeff Nelson JEFFNC1@GMAIL.COM [FunBBGroup] <FunBBGroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Roseanne lost a lot of peoples jobs by doing that . Why say that ?
Well I doubt they will consider her for any show in the future !
Jeff
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On May 29, 2018, at 2:22 PM, Natalieav2@aol.com [FunBBGroup] <FunBBGroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
It definitely was. It's too bad because i liked the show itself despite her...but that was reprehensible.
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Subject: [FunBBGroup] roseanne revival cancelled
dang that was quick. abc wasted no time taking action. Was the right move.
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